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aphrodeia

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:02 pm

Moderator Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 46

I agree that Hermione deserves better than Snape... and for the first time ever, I think that she deserves Ron. At this point in the game, anyhow. What a great kid, and it was so fitting to see them all go through some massive dating-angst.

I'm also digging on Snape more than I have before. He's even more fascinating now.

Delirium

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:17 pm

Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 34 Location: New York

Is it wrong that I'm attracted to a fictional character who is a murdering bastard?

blah_blah_blah

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:27 pm

Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 20

Delirium wrote:

Is it wrong that I'm attracted to a fictional character who is a murdering bastard?

Are you really attracted to him? He treats everyone like they are flith. He's got greasy hair and yellow teeth. He's ugly. But so what if he isn't beautiful---surface beauty isn't important. Still, he has a horrible attitude. He's violent. He's dangerous. He's petty. He's a murderer. He's a traitor.

Now, even if he really is on the "side of the light" he is still a traitor. If he didn't betray Dumbledore then he did betray Voldermort. So no matter how this turns out his is still a traitor.

And did I mention he has a ghastly tatto on his arm?

So, are you attracted to the man mentioned above?

Or, do you close your eyes and think of fannon Snape with a silky voice, a big dick, and Alan Rickman's face?

I suppose this is going piss off some people but this whole facination women have with Snape reminds me of women that become attached to prisioners that they don't even know. The write to them while they are in jail (how they find them, I don't know) and become their girlfriends and some even marry the prisioners! These are men that have committed terrible crimes and will be behind bars for a VERY long time but these women think that if they love them enough then the men will turn into wonderful well adjusted citizens.

Delirium

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:39 pm

Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 34 Location: New York

Are you for real? I was kidding. Rolling Eyes

I don't even associate Alan Rickman with Snape. He's too old and not nearly menacing enough. I don't "close my eyes" and picture ANYONE.

aphrodeia

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:50 pm

Moderator Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 46

Delirium wrote:

Is it wrong that I'm attracted to a fictional character who is a murdering bastard?

Nah. I wouldn't kick him out of bed.

*flees!*

SlytherinSexGod

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:51 pm

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 20

aphrodeia wrote:

Alynna wrote:

What, am I the only Snape and Sirius fan? Wink

I like them. Together. And naked. Mmm.

*coughs*

But that's not canon, so nevermind.

Wink

personally, i found that disturbing. for i'm a very imaginative guy, and sentences like that tends to put *images* in my head. not good. not good at all. Smile

although i don't mind Hermione/Ginny fics.. hehehe ;p

am i the only male Snape fan around? okay, i'm a Hermione fan as well... but am i the only Snape/Hermione fan around, who happens to be a 17 year old male currently doing his degree in aerospace enginnering, and is a 6"5', 110 kg, heavyweight fighting champion? yeah, wishful thinking on the champion part Smile

but do i fit in the profile? Confused

talking about profiles and stuff... why do we seek to judge people by their interests? i mean like, i'm a Snape diehard, deal with it kinda thing, y'kno? like Verity (she must be God. or my alter ego. everything i want to say, she already said.), i identify with Snape. i know just what it's like to be good without being nice, and i know what it's like to be judghed merely by the fact that you're not nice and stuff... heck, i identify with Snape and the tough decisions he would have had to make in his life, his great respect for intelligence ( i find intelligence a big turn-on. as in, i'm very attracted to smart girls. must be why i like hermione Wink

) his dislike for mediocracy and disrespect (seriously. harry is, plain and simple, a brat. even more so in OotP)... and so what if i do? does that mean i'm evil? like, wtfish?

not quite living under a rock (unless malaysia counts) i have been verbally abused Sad

by those who take the harry potter world a bit *too* seriously, and stuff like that. like, he's just a fictional character, and the old man he killed? guess what? Blinding Flash Of Reality! he doesn't exist too. so why are people getting so worked up?

he's not good. i never said he was. he's a mean dude. there's no "inner crying child begging for mommy" as has been suggested in some fics, and even in Ashwinder. he's a slytherin, through and through, and he'll do anything to achieve his goals. like me. just so damn much like me. which is why i identify with him. no white-washing. it doesn't work. but those whom have gained his respect, gets it forever. get me?

okay, am i making any sense? coz it's 3.15 am, i have my Philosophy assignment due tomorrow (The Non-Existence of God. man, i love nietzsche Laughing

) i seriously have too much blood in my coffee system, and i'm out of coffee. and sleepy. so forgive ramblings. :S

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Delirium

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:07 pm

Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 34 Location: New York

aphrodeia, if he just was slightly less acerbic, perhaps. Laughing

I picture him more like Trent Reznor with worse teeth and a bigger nose, not to mention a permascowl.

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Verity Brown

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:13 pm

Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Midwest USA

azazello wrote:

I'm not attacking anyone who mourns the character they believed existed until Saturday.

You may not have meant to do that, but that's certainly how your comments have come across to me. You don't do your assertion that you don't mean to attack people any good with comments like:

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the Cheese Cauldron theory

and

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I am prepared to smile smugly at various posts by (crappy) authors

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the most stupid fangirl's silly MLC story

and

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a kneejerk reaction

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SlytherinSexGod

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:40 pm

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 20

referring to what i said above... verity must be god. hehe. believe it or not, i was just about to write about people in the forummbashing snape fans. aaargh. read above~~~~~~~~` lalalalal~~~~~~~~~~``

christ, i'm going nuts.

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azazello

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:31 pm

Joined: 29 Nov 2004 Posts: 183 Location: Northern UK

It seems to me that you feel that anyone who doesn't agree with you and your fan-fic preferences and your thoughts about the new book is a brainless idiot. And I take very strong exception to that. I can disagree with the Snape-is-really-evil interpretation of HBP without impugning the intelligence of those who hold it. You seem unwilling to grant those who disagree with you that much courtesy.

I don't. However I feel the level of wank and screaming going on - and you are adding to it, bears out the fact that there are currently over 10 threads in fandom_wank about fans squawking over new canon.

And there's nothing intelligent about throwing a hissy fit, and attacking me in person. Nor is there anything remotely intelligent about emailing me, as some have done, and calling me a traitor. A traitor to what?

I've yet to see any adequate argument that persuades me my view - that Snape is not a very nice person, are wrong. I'm currently embarking on my third read, during which I will apply analysis to the various actions, remarks and theories. I wish more folk would take the time to thoroughly absorb the new canon.

And Verity, just because the new book annoys you, do not blame me for it. I have not belittled anyone by name. There ARE crappy authors in SS/HG. That's not being nasty, that's just speaking the truth.

Pointless porn, stupid characterisation where Snape and hermione do not recognisably behave like human beings. Good writers were deserting the ship in masses. Pathetic and endless marriage law fics, fics where Snape does things a child of ten would see he'd never do in canon. Pointless plots, bolted on silly fluffy endings. That was crap.

Do you know what? I'd suggest that if you are howling about the new book, then you cannot, by implication call yourself a Snape fan. Because until you accept what Snape really is, you are swooning over someone else. The fanon version. He's dead. He died for me when he boasted about setting up a lady called Emmeline Vance.

Did I rant and rave that I got him so wrong in fanfic? 'Course not. I actually smiled at how wrong I and ALL the other fic writers had been - no one got him right. And then I went and looked at earlier books and saw how selective we'd all been about what JKR really showed us about his character.

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Verity Brown

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:17 pm

Joined: 14 Mar 2005 Posts: 150 Location: Midwest USA

azazello wrote:

And Verity, just because the new book annoys you, do not blame me for it.

I do not blame you for it. (No, sorry, I'm just not that stupid, regardless of your opinion of me.) I'm not even sure that I can say that the new book annoys me. It shocked me. It hurt. It made me think hard. And, contrary to your assertions, I have been going back over it, looking for clues. Thus far, my study still supports what you call the "Cheese Cauldron Theory." And I have yet to see any actual well-argued proofs from anyone that is asserting that Snape has now been proven to be both evil and truly on Voldemort's side.

It's the "ha, ha, you idiots!" crowing that annoys (and hurts) me a lot more than the book ever could.

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Do you know what? I'd suggest that if you are howling about the new book, then you cannot, by implication call yourself a Snape fan. Because until you accept what Snape really is, you are swooning over someone else. The fanon version.

I would suggest that you bother to read my fic (the whole thing) before you make any more snide assertions about my view of Snape. I have never believed him to be a nice person. I have long thought that most writers skimmed all too easily over the ugly realities of his Death Eater past. I think it is because I have never believed him to be too "nice" that I can believe that he is still true to Dumbledore. To write off that possibility, just because Snape has turned out to be a worse person than you previously expected, seems a more "knee-jerk" reaction than trying to find well-reasoned evidence from the book to show that he is, in spite of his inherent personal unpleasantness, still loyal.

Verity

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liquidscissors

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:34 pm

Moderator Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 164

Settle down, all of you.

SlytherinSexGod

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:28 am

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 20

FLAME WAR! FLAME WAR! WHOO-HOO!!!

will there be chocolate involved?

hehe...

but seriously, settle down, you two. heh. both of you od have a point, i mean, there are a lot of crappy authors in ashwinder, and 'i set up emmeline vance' snape does seem a lot different from the 'i'm a closet romantic looking for someone intelligent to love for the rest of my life' snape most of us are used to in fanfiction. but - call it wishful thinking on my part - i do believe snape ain't all that bad... reasons behind his actions, i see. how about a little living and let living, eh? they have a right to their opinions, as do we.

sorry for butting in sounding like a pompous bastard, please don't flame me Shocked

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PenAgainstSword

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:45 am

Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 10

ROCK ON, SLYTHERINSEXGOD!! Exactly what I thought.

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Whimsy

Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:01 am

Joined: 17 Feb 2005 Posts: 6

Snape is not a nice person, no doubt about that. He quite obviously had a pretty crappy life that he has not yet, and will probably never, recover from (no I’m not making excuses, just an observation about what we know about him thus far). He takes out his frustrations on Harry (and at times I really don't blame him). I do believe he killed D on his orders - but no one can say yay or nay to that till the next book comes out. Then Harry called him a coward immediately afterward - no wonder he reacted with such venom toward him. I read his half-blood prince line, not as crowing, so much as irony.

I had always assumed Snape must have participated in some pretty awful activity, possibly including murder, in the past. He is nasty, unattractive, childish at times, and lives somewhat in the past. I think he made the vow to Narcissa for two reasons: to prove his allegiance to V and because he truly does not care about his own life. Snape in fanfic often gets the throw away line - "I'm not a nice person" and that's dealing with his background. Well, there's a bit more to it than that. I can imagine how he will be written now: as the tragic hero (with Hermione there to do the healing if that is the bent of the author).

Just about everyone that I've read (good and bad alike - whatever a good or bad writer is) has SexGodSnape of the huge DELETE and voice to drop knickers. There are many people out there offended by this version of Snape, and I suspect they are the ones doing the gloating.

There has been a case for SS/HG (but in the future, far and away in the future) and still could be depending on the outcome of book 7. Interestingly, it was the Tonks/Lupin scene that actually mimicked how SS/HG is usually portrayed – and that really felt like a scene from fanfic. I felt happy for them but sad for Snape, now more than ever.

I don't know where the "good" writers are going to (any hints people??) but will still continue in this sinking ship till I can no longer stand it

Everyone has opinions, as has already been stated. Ignore the squawking and read what you want to read - regardless of opinion. I personally can't stand the thought of Ron/Hermione - just can't. Not from some Snape-biased prejudice; I don't particularly like Ron, and never have had (and I have canon reasons for this). No one will convince me otherwise - and I assume that's how the Snape detractors think. So be it.

I've only read once but as far as I can tell no one can make the "best" argument about Snape, we will only find out when book 7 comes out - and even then there may be not absolute certainty about Snape.

ETEA: I've edited this post to remove a reference to a poster by name - it was not a flame, far from it, but in line with Diana's post I thought it best to take it out all together.

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