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| luckycharms |
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Just something I'm wondering about. On page 62 when Harry asks what Inferi are Dumbledore replies, "They are corpses, dead bodies that have been bewitched to do a Dark wizard's bidding. Inferi have not been seen for a long time, however, not since Voldemort was last powerful...He killed enough people to make an army of them..."
So are these people that LV killed himself? Is that important at all? Could Harry encounter his parents in this way? Is it significant in any way that J.K. introduced a new creature (though they once were living they have become the undead)
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:09 pm |
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Yes, I think the Inferi Dumbledore was talking about were people Voldemort and the Death Eaters had killed.
No, I don't think Harry could see Lily and James this way. They have been dead for 15 years, could you imagine the decomp??? I think they would be most useful when fresh.
Plus, it would be an absolutely horrible thing for JK to do, giving Harry a chance to see his parents in the flesh (pun intended) as zombies trying to rip his legs off... That's just too horrible to think of. |
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| Melvacaea |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:37 pm |
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*deadpan* It'd be cool for a way for fanfic writers to bug Harry and drive him nuts.
But I doubt Jo will do that.
So, if the Inferi really are people that LV and the DEs have killed.... do you think that Cedric could come up? |
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:41 pm |
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Nah, I don't think Cedric would be there either... He's been dead two years, and his parents retrieved the body.
I think the likliest candidates for Inferius would be the people Voldemort killed right then and there, not bodies who have been dead for a while.
Plus, we don't know a whole lot about Wizard funerals... we've only seen one. Perhaps Cedric, Harry's parents, etc. were cremated? That would make reanimating impossible...
It just doesn't seem very logical to reanimate two-year old (or older) corpses, but that's just me. It would be a wicked plot device in fanfic though, definately! |
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| Melvacaea |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:43 pm |
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*nods* Point. Cremation... could you build something from ashes? Like with the funeral rite 'ashes to ashes'? Mangle it?
Sorry, my writing creativity is on full power now but my common sense isn't. :p
But they said that Voldemort (possibly) already had an army... meaning that he killed people then and there for the army? Like using the ones that died in the bridge crash? Ew. |
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| Two Methyloctane |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:25 pm |
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That would make a little bit more sense: using bodies that have just been freshly killed. The bridge victims are definate possibilities, only having been dead a few months (possibly Inferius slows the decaying process?).
But I can imagine they would have an expiry date, otherwise there would be more Inferi than there were actual living beings.
"Inferi: Do not use after 13-08-98" |
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| Sakuruth |
| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:13 pm |
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Two Methyloctane wrote: But I can imagine they would have an expiry date, otherwise there would be more Inferi than there were actual living beings.
"Inferi: Do not use after 13-08-98"
Or their controllers died. As the conclusion of HBP makes sure to hammer home, most spells fail when their caster dies.
Even if they don't actually stop at death, (or if Voldemort's not-completely-total death is insufficient to cease the spells,) the power required to control them in any meaningful fashion is undoubtedly more than Voldemort could have mustered before his re-embodiment. I think Voldemort's former army is safely out of the running, along with most others. |
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| wonga |
| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:49 am |
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| During one of the first lessons of DADA with Snape there are pictures on the wall of the effects of curses etc. Wasn't the picture of an Inferi a lump of something? So does that mean a lump of meat and bones can actually be reanimated and used? |
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| mouseII |
| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 8:56 am |
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| I think it was a picture of the victim of an Inferi - that is to say, after an Inferi attacks you, all that's left is goo. |
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| Owlbait |
| Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:54 pm |
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| If the bodies in the lake around the fake horcrux were Inferi they either had to have been there all along, which means the magic survived Voldemort's loss of body and power, or they are fresh - meaning Voldemort went back - found the fake horcrux and left it there (possibly refilling the birdbath) and dumped a bunch of new Inferi in the lake. |
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| Pace |
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:00 pm |
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I wouldn't be so quick with that... how a body deceases is closely linked to where it is kept. Also, magic can not only be invoked by a person but also by a place (think of Hogwarts: the persons who cast the spells around the castle must have been dead for a couple of centuries, yet the castle still has a) its own magic and is b) still standing).
I should think, though, that the curse that creates Inferi is permanent like the ones around the castle. However, Inferi are not invincible: fire destroys them. I don't think that this knowledge was unavailable during the first war, but it might that there were simply too many Inferi coming... of course that would raise the question where Voldemort got all those bodies from without the muggles noticing... |
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| mouseII |
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 8:41 pm |
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Remember how traumatised the two children that Tom Riddle brought with him into that cave were? Dumbledore said that the journey into the cave itself would have been enough, but I think children could bounce back from a fright like that. However, Mrs. Cole said the two children were never the same. That implies a much more serious sort of fright.
Maybe the bodies were there already, when Tom found it? That would certainly scare the bejeebers out of the kiddies he brought with him. Perhaps the lake and its Inferi were not Riddle's magic at all; he just co-opted them later for the protection of the horcrux.
If so, I wonder what the Inferi were there to protect originally? |
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| Verity Brown |
| Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 10:47 pm |
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mouseII wrote: Remember how traumatised the two children that Tom Riddle brought with him into that cave were? Dumbledore said that the journey into the cave itself would have been enough, but I think children could bounce back from a fright like that. However, Mrs. Cole said the two children were never the same. That implies a much more serious sort of fright.
Maybe the bodies were there already, when Tom found it? That would certainly scare the bejeebers out of the kiddies he brought with him. Perhaps the lake and its Inferi were not Riddle's magic at all; he just co-opted them later for the protection of the horcrux.
If so, I wonder what the Inferi were there to protect originally?
I had wondered what it was that frightened those children so much. This is a very interesting possibility--that the Inferi were there before.
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